For this reason we decided to compare the full scale tow tank resistance data of Bill Beaver and John (better copy and paste this) Zseleczky with results from one of the tools in our kit. It is a program that predicts resistance of ships using a number of methods, one of which is called the Slender Body Method. Basically it uses an analytical method to calculate the resistance of narrow hulls rather than using traditional statistical/regression methods. blah, blah, blah, that's enough background.
Firstly I produced a hull model traced off the Hungry Beaver linesplan in the report (Bill has since sent me a file of his hull which I haven't had a chance to run with yet.). Static drafts for each of the towed displacements were calculated and then run through the program. Neither the dynamic trim nor squat that was present in the tank tests was modelled, for better or worse.
Ok, raw data comparison graphs attached...
So far so good, despite not accounting for trim or squat with the computer prediction, there seems to be some good (but not perfect) correlation. The biggest problems are underprediction of resistance at higher speeds and higher displacements/drafts and the existence of a hollow in the computer prediction at about 4 knots. There isn't any tank data points around there though so it could be a resolution issue.
Well I'm interested in the correlation at the faster speeds (not really that fast) so here's a graph at 8 knots for varying drafts...
This shows a clear discrepancy at the deeper draft for this speed. The difference is nudging 10% of the towed result. Well there's a number of reasons this could be:
- Incorrect/lack of calculation of transom drag at greater drafts.
- Effects of static trim
- Effects of dynamic trim
- Effects of dynamic squat/heave
When referring back to the beaver hungry paper, squat increases with increasing displacement/draft (as well as speed, I know, but one thing at a time) so let's interpolate the computer resistance at the squatted drafts obtained in the tank tests.
mmm, that didn't work so well. Maybe not, while the average error seems to have increased (from -1N to +4N), the standard deviation of the errors has decreased (from 3N to 1.5N). Some gains, some losses.
So next thing for me is to get some dinner. On the resistance topic though, I'm happy enough to move forward with assessing hull designs based on the raw computer data. The main reasons for this are that I am happy with the correlation we've seen so far and predicting squat and trim is too hard/impossible with the tools and knowledge I have available so they can't be accounted for in the prediction. I'll probably run the actual hull model through the program to iron out any errors in the results from that area, but I don't expect major changes.
I'd like to thank Bill for his correspondence and congratulate Bill and John on releasing some useful info to the mothing, and sailing, world.
ps - all results are in fresh water, made that mistake too many times with this validation to ever forget again.
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your report lacks the charming arrogance and cynicism that is an editorial requirement of this bloog.
ReplyDeletehowever I believe these correlations are sensational, especially by a CFD standard.
how about a hullspeed and michlet refernce.
you can make up for the lack of charming arrogance and cynicism in the next chapter on take-off speed.
ReplyDeletecan you spot any major blunders? my conclusions aren't spectacular, nor is the further work complete, but I got hungry and a man's gotta eat.
Great stuff, thanks for sharing!
ReplyDeleteI used to tinker a bit with Michlet on several variations of a Moth hull design theme (one that came to my mind one night full of nightmares...) and compared them to Doug Culnane's Flashheart, Martin Zäh's new design and my current hull.
The displacement of each hull was assumed to decrease with boatspeed squared to zero at 8 knots (take-off speed) but no trim was accounted for.
Admittedly I doubt Michlet is able to handle my strange afterbody shapes correctly but I'm certainly going to repeat my calculations with the Hungry Beaver hull.
If you don't mind I'll send you an excel spreadsheet with the results via e-mail. ;-)
Best wishes from Kiel,
Ole
Hi guys...,
ReplyDeleteHow about I send you a Flashheart line plan? Would you be able to compare it with the Hungry Animals. I think the V hulls are better at operating at foil assisted modes where the foils support some of the weight. So it would be good to test this theory running a comparison of the Flashheart against a U shaped hull at different drafts.
The results will either force me to STFU or be a boast to my ego.
All the best,
Doug Culnane
Ole we posted at the same time. I would love to have your conclusions.
ReplyDeleteDoug, check your mailbox! ;-) There aren't any real conclusions yet, however. I'm still not sure enough about Michlet's ability to treat unusual hull shapes so my numbers may be rubbish...
ReplyDeleteOle
(atleast I got chicken)
ReplyDeleteI hate you leeroy...
ReplyDeletehehe
The flashheart linesplan came with Ole's stuff. Will give it a quick whirl and get back to you. Oh, we're using Hullspeed from Formation Design Systems, manual here...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.fdsfiles.com/releases/manuals/HSManual.pdf
have you checked the draft vs displacement i the same in the hull model and beaver paper?
ReplyDeleteDamnit, just wrote long reply but it got lost...
ReplyDeleteWith actual hull model, displacements for given drafts are within 2kg (4.4lbs) of stated displacements, in fresh water.
With actual hull model, the trends are similar to the traced hull, but the results are a fraction closer to the tank data for the no squat condition. Average errors are now -0.5N and standard deviation is 2.8N.
Nice work n4rkla, While your doing all this comparing, make sure you run Stress Less wont you!
ReplyDeleteCheers.
Hi na4rkla, I've got some questions to ask about your hull model - can i grab your email to do so?
ReplyDeleteThanks.
check this out !
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